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Alternator splash shield

Post by Karl » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:26 am

G'day.
I have been replicating the splash shield that goes around the alternator.
At the moment my car has a 66 engine in it and the alternator was mounted in the high position. The alternators that I have are correct for a 63 model and I also have 2 more alternators that are generic for other years. The problem that I have is because the alternator is mounted in the high position there is little clearance for the wires where they attache to the alternator. And the alternator is very close to the right hand cylinder head.
Over the years I don't get the life out of the alternators, I think this is due to the exposure to the heat from the cylinder head. Also what compounds the problem is the header tank leaks and this dribbles onto the alternator and corrodes everything.

The other week the power steering pump done a seal so whilst the pump was being repaired I changed the brackets on the alternator and placed it in the low position. I now can undo the wires at the back of the alternator without removing the alternator off the car, but the problem with the leaking water still remains.
Some people will think, well why not repair the header tank? good statement but I have a reconditioned 63 engine that I will be fitting to the car soon so I don't want to spend any time or money on the engine that I will be removing.

I purchased a 63 splash shield some time ago to go onto the replacement engine so I thought that I would have a go at replicating it for the 66 engine.
If anybody is interested I can send you a cad drawing of it. I measured the original one, which would be imperial and then converted the sizes to draw it in metric.

Here are some photo's.
All I have to do now is put a slight bend in it to wrap around the alternator and then paint it.
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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by Karl » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:19 pm

I forgot to ask, Does anybody know the number for the self taping screw that holds the alternator wires to the splash shield?
There is a images in the electrical assy manual but it doesn't show the splash shield or the screw.
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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by Jim Wulf » Fri Aug 23, 2019 3:33 pm

Karl wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:19 pm
I forgot to ask, Does anybody know the number for the self taping screw that holds the alternator wires to the splash shield?
There is a images in the electrical assy manual but it doesn't show the splash shield or the screw.
Karl.
It's a #10 x 5/8L. Do you have the special sheet metal J nut for the plastic wiring clamp that accepts the screw?
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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by Karl » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:07 pm

G'day Jim.
Those clips look like the same one's that holds the wiring in the doors for the courtesy light.

I have the screw, I purchased some from AMK products some time ago (Ford part # 42134, 10#-12 x 5/8" long).
I don't have an original "J" nut itself. I did purchase some generic modern one's for the door wiring and used them with a modern "P" clip
The plastic clip itself I was going to try and replicate them, just haven't had time as yet. I would be interested in obtaining a complete clip.
Jim Mills did send my a photo of some of the various clips that he had, they were of the larger variety. This was when I was replicating the clips that hold the tail light wires to the rear bumper.

Now with regards to the clip holding the wires to the splash shield, I was under the impression that the clip was held to the splash shield by the screw only, not with the "J" clip.
The splash shield that I have to copy has one hole in it that takes the self tapping screw and this hole has been punched in, not drilled. If the plastic clip was used in conjunction with the small metal "J" clip than it would be just a larger dia hole, drilled so the screw would go straight through the splash shield?

Also a friend of mine has a 63 Landau that was build only a few weeks earlier than mine, It looks like it is fairly original condition. Heavily rusted through out the car though as it has been stored over here for some 7 years under a tree. Surprisingly the splash shield is still there and a lot of the other small bits and pieces on the car. On that splash shield it is screwed directly into the shield like my sample that I have.
I would be interested in your views on this.

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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by Jim Wulf » Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:27 pm

Karl,

That clip was installed on one of my 63 parts cars and I assumed it was the original since the car was fairly original in most respects. It could very well be that it was a replacement for the original clip, and it could have come from a door wiring harness since those are the same. At any rate it would look the same installed on the shield with either fastening method. I have more original plastic P clips and can send you one. PM me your mailing address again as I neglected to enter in my address book when I received the wires from you.
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Re: Alternator splash shield

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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by Karl » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:45 am

G'day.
Worked out how to curve the shield like the original.
Bit of a challenge because the curve starts about 1/2" on the strengthening rib that runs at 90 deg to the curve.
I believe there was a lower shield and it attached to the body of the car. Does anybody know what this was?
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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by RedBird64 » Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:05 pm

That's some nice work!

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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by Karl » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:08 pm

Finished product.
Splash shield finished.jpg
Does anybody know what fasteners were used to hold the lower splash shield in place to the frame?
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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by Jim Wulf » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:17 pm

Karl wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:45 am
G'day.
Worked out how to curve the shield like the original.
Bit of a challenge because the curve starts about 1/2" on the strengthening rib that runs at 90 deg to the curve.
I believe there was a lower shield and it attached to the body of the car. Does anybody know what this was?
Karl.
There were two "lower" shields: a metal shield attached to the frame and crossmember, and a masticated rubber shield attached to the frame. The rubber shield is available from the Bird vendors, the metal shield is only available as a used piece and is becoming pretty scarce.
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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by Jim Wulf » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:28 pm

Karl wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:08 pm
Finished product.Splash shield finished.jpg
Does anybody know what fasteners were used to hold the lower splash shield in place to the frame?
Karl
For the metal shield: 5/16-18 x 1/2 flange head thread cutter screws, with an "L" stamped on the recessed head. There may be other head markings, but this is what I have found most often. See the photo above for the three wire clips used on the rubber shield.
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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by Karl » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:37 am

Thanks Jim.
I have the black mastic one, I purchased it some time ago with the intention of installing it to the car when I install the replacement 63 engine that I have been working on. but I haven't got the retaining clips. Because I have moved the alternator to the lower position recently it might be a good idea if I installed the mastic shield. It looks like any splashed water from the front wheel would hit the alternator.
The lower metal shield looks more complicated than the top one to fabricate, that's going to be some work to replicate - probably out of my league.

I had a look on the AMK web pages, I couldn't see the clips or the thread cutting bolts. Does anybody know where I could purchase -
1/ 5/16-18 x 1/2 flange head thread cutter screws.
2/ The clips to hold the black mastic shield on,
3/ A lower metal shield.

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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by Jim Wulf » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:22 pm

Karl wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:37 am
Thanks Jim.
I have the black mastic one, I purchased it some time ago with the intention of installing it to the car when I install the replacement 63 engine that I have been working on. but I haven't got the retaining clips. Because I have moved the alternator to the lower position recently it might be a good idea if I installed the mastic shield. It looks like any splashed water from the front wheel would hit the alternator.
The lower metal shield looks more complicated than the top one to fabricate, that's going to be some work to replicate - probably out of my league.

I had a look on the AMK web pages, I couldn't see the clips or the thread cutting bolts. Does anybody know where I could purchase -
1/ 5/16-18 x 1/2 flange head thread cutter screws.
2/ The clips to hold the black mastic shield on,
3/ A lower metal shield.

Karl.
Karl, I think you're right about the lower shield - its a fairly complicated piece that has obviously been stamped out using some pretty heavy equipment. Pat Wilson and the Bird's Nest are just about the only dealer choices now when it comes to used parts. I found a set of original screws and a set of original clips in my parts stash for you, but no shield. I do know of someone who is restoring a '64 and recently acquired a '64 parts car. I can check with him to see if the shield is still on there and if he needs it or not. '63 and '64 shields are the same.
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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by RAVEN » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:36 pm

Karl, for the clip to retain the Mastic panel, a company close to my home has possibly what you need. (40km). The company name is Spaenaur, and they are located in Kitchener Ontario Canada. I normally go on Google and just do a search on their online catalogue. I did a quick check, and they have a clip like what you need, with a square measurement of 11/16 inch or 18mm. I found it in Section H in their catalogue. They post a service desk email as "service@spaenaur.com", not sure if you can access it from Aussie, and that is why I said Google it.
I Have to go see them for a few items shortly, and if you find what you need, I can pick them up and forward to you. Good Hunting

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Re: Alternator splash shield

Post by RAVEN » Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:43 pm

This is what happens when two bodies are responding at the same time. I type in a response and end up late and Jim W answers to solve the problem.
Still willing to go to Spaenaur if you need anything, will hold back until let me know
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