1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
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1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
I'm helping out a friend put his 390 back together after powder coating brackets, etc..
We are wondering what the pin on the rear of the balancer is for?..Is it the timing mark?
We see no marks or bumps on the balancer itself.
I've searched Google and this site but came up empty.
Thanx
We are wondering what the pin on the rear of the balancer is for?..Is it the timing mark?
We see no marks or bumps on the balancer itself.
I've searched Google and this site but came up empty.
Thanx
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Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
The timing pointer is a small stamped piece, the marks are in the damper. the only good picture I have is of a pretty dirty engine, but Iv'e got the marks painted. Hope this helps, Bob C
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Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
Hi Bob:
Thanx for the reply...That sure is my motor..and my balancer...but you're setup doesn't have this pin in it...It's about 2 inches long, and sticks out the back of the balancer.
I'll see if I can get a pic later in the week..
Thanx
Thanx for the reply...That sure is my motor..and my balancer...but you're setup doesn't have this pin in it...It's about 2 inches long, and sticks out the back of the balancer.
I'll see if I can get a pic later in the week..
Thanx
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Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
I don't think there should be anything sticking out of the balancer, much less something 2" long
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Modified 428 - stroked, rollercam, aluminum top end, headers
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Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
This is what I have..if you look close, you will see the pin hanging out the back of the balancer.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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1964 corvette roadster
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Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
Herb, in your picture, I do not see a timing pointer. It would appear someone mounted a pin in the back of the balancer, to act as a reverse pointer OR added this pin to possibly add an external balancing weight.
It should not be there originally.
It should not be there originally.
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Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
I do have the pointer, just not mounted yet..We just did a timing chain, and powdercoated a few pcs on the engine
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1964 corvette roadster
1971 triumph tr-6
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Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
I looked closely, and cannot find any bump or other marks on the balancer itself that would be a timing mark.
confused.
I looked on ebay, and see my exact balancer, but with no pin hanging out of the back.
confused.
I looked on ebay, and see my exact balancer, but with no pin hanging out of the back.
1966 Tbird convertible
1964 corvette roadster
1971 triumph tr-6
1971 VW superbeetle convertible
1964 corvette roadster
1971 triumph tr-6
1971 VW superbeetle convertible
Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
If you reinstalled the pointer, do you think it would line up at TDC, at the pointer and the "pin".?
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Past: 2003 Blk Lab "RAVEN" "RIP"Nov 15/17
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Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
Now that I can see the "pin", my guess is that it is a balance weight.
1966 Thunderbird Convertible (Emberglo / White-Emberglo)
Modified 428 - stroked, rollercam, aluminum top end, headers
Livermore, CA
Modified 428 - stroked, rollercam, aluminum top end, headers
Livermore, CA
Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
Herb, to answer your original question, the timing marks are on the outer ring FACE of the wide flange crank pulley.
If you have a 65 Shop Manual, an illustration of same can be found on page 8-29 or page 8-31, under the Part 8-2 Section. OR page 9-15, Section 9-1.
If you have a 65 Shop Manual, an illustration of same can be found on page 8-29 or page 8-31, under the Part 8-2 Section. OR page 9-15, Section 9-1.
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1964 Sr Convertible "RAVEN"
Past: 2003 Blk Lab "RAVEN" "RIP"Nov 15/17
1964 Lincoln vin4Y86N00007
1964 Red Convertible
Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
Powder coating is pretty thick, and the timing marks are very shallow. If this has been powder coated, then I'm guessing the timing marks have been covered up.
Find TDC on the compression stroke and mark it then get some timing tape like this:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum- ... /make/ford
Find TDC on the compression stroke and mark it then get some timing tape like this:
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum- ... /make/ford
1966 Thunderbird Convertible (Emberglo / White-Emberglo)
Modified 428 - stroked, rollercam, aluminum top end, headers
Livermore, CA
Modified 428 - stroked, rollercam, aluminum top end, headers
Livermore, CA
Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
I believe the high temp of power coating would destroy the rubber in the balancer. So hopefullly it was disassembled before coating and reassembled afterward. If they also covered up the timing marks I'm not sure what you're going to do.
The pin thing is very strange looking. When they balance these they drill a series of holes just about that size on the back. I wonder if they ever have to add weight and that's what it looks like.
Scott
The pin thing is very strange looking. When they balance these they drill a series of holes just about that size on the back. I wonder if they ever have to add weight and that's what it looks like.
Scott
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Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
that damper reminds me of something I've seen on old Ford dump trucks with a 330 or 331. but maybe not. It's not the right one for your tbird, and you need the right pulleys too. good luck, Bob C
It's gonna be cool when it's done
And now it's really cool !!
59 convertible
58 convertible
65 hardtop
And now it's really cool !!
59 convertible
58 convertible
65 hardtop
Re: 1965 bird Harmonic balancer question
Thank you for the replys..
Strange indeed...This is a 3 owner car wit 72k miles on it.
We knew the previous owner, but not the original one.
H
Strange indeed...This is a 3 owner car wit 72k miles on it.
We knew the previous owner, but not the original one.
H
1966 Tbird convertible
1964 corvette roadster
1971 triumph tr-6
1971 VW superbeetle convertible
1964 corvette roadster
1971 triumph tr-6
1971 VW superbeetle convertible