Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by sseebart » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:37 am

Steelebird wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:53 pm
have talked to a shop about sand blasting the whole frame and some body too ... then will weld all the rust holes etc .....
Not many people take this step with Thunderbirds. Looking forward to seeing your progress. I had the valve covers on my car sandblasted years ago and it caused some pretty deep pitting in the sheet metal. Since the T-Bird is a unibody car, you may want them to use something less abrasive then sand.
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Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:53 pm
i got a " parts car " in the package and found out it has a 351 windsor motor that guy obviously replaced the original with
Wow--I can't figure out why anyone would do this. 390's have generally been plentiful and swapping in a Windsor motor would not be a bolt-on process. That's a lot of time and effort for a less-capable motor. Would love to see photos of the engine bay.

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by RedBird64 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:26 am

Prior to body work, my car was media blasted. From the stuff I found in the deep recesses of my car, it was some kind of tiny plastic beads. My body shop, Fenders and Fins, told me it wouldn't hurt the metal like sand does.

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by RAVEN » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:39 pm

For blasting a car, there is numerous media choices, sand, walnut shells glass bead, baking soda, others of strange origin, even rock slag. Plus factor in the air pressure to apply. It is a choice that one has to make and the level of corrosion needed to remove. Plus how much panel distortion you are prepared to accept.
The combinations are endless.
Plus how much vacuuming you care to do to get the crap out of the crevices when done. There is nothing worse than laying down a final coat of finish and having the gun stir up a bit of blast sand and lay it all over your hood!

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Re: pulling motor & tranny is stuck :)

Post by Steelebird » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:26 am

ran into a snag while pulling motor and tranny as one piece .... ( easiest imo and yes i have 2 tone engine puller :) hard to see how or what part of tranny linkages need to be removed/disconnected from tranny any suggestions greatly appreciated :)

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by Steelebird » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:29 am

RedBird64 wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:26 am
Prior to body work, my car was media blasted. From the stuff I found in the deep recesses of my car, it was some kind of tiny plastic beads. My body shop, Fenders and Fins, told me it wouldn't hurt the metal like sand does.

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thats what i want mine to look like some day from your pics .....

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by Steelebird » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:33 am

here is the engine compartment of my parts car with the 351w motor
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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by jtschug » Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:13 am

Wow, kind of a mess. Is that a 2bbl carb? Perhaps that was done in the 70's to save gas? Not sure what to make of the chrome covers with the quick removal screws. Why would you have a 2bbl and a solid lifter cam?

There are good 390s out there, either used or rebuild (make sure you work with a rebuilder who knows all the tricks to a Ford FE, Chevy guys always screw them up then claim they are junk. Ford FE engines came in 1-2-3 at LeMans. No Chebbie ever did that)

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by sseebart » Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:05 pm

Steelebird wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:33 am
here is the engine compartment of my parts car with the 351w motor
Wow. Trying to decide what I like best about this . . . the wires holding the surge tank up or the power steering plumbing. A crazy amount of work for little gain.

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by mnpetri » Thu Nov 22, 2018 12:54 pm

jtschug wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:13 am
Wow, kind of a mess. Is that a 2bbl carb? Perhaps that was done in the 70's to save gas? Not sure what to make of the chrome covers with the quick removal screws. Why would you have a 2bbl and a solid lifter cam?

There are good 390s out there, either used or rebuild (make sure you work with a rebuilder who knows all the tricks to a Ford FE, Chevy guys always screw them up then claim they are junk. Ford FE engines came in 1-2-3 at LeMans. No Chebbie ever did that)
That 351 seems like a WTF moment? 5000# car needs torque!

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by Steelebird » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:26 pm

i think you guys got the wrong idea ... the " parts" car has a 351 w im looking to sell becuz i dont need it ... jsut using some parts from it for my project car... the 66 bird :)

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by Steelebird » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:33 pm

here is a " progress report" as such ..stripped it down to get it ready for dustless sand blasting .... u name it i too it off .... see for yourself let me know your thoughts and concerns ( r u crazy lol )

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by Steelebird » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:34 pm

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by 64ZCODE » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:13 pm

Hi all. Just reading though this post. FYI regarding the 351W: There were two barrel and four barrel versions of the motor. The two barrel was rated at 250 hp and the four barrel version, had slightly higher compression, was rated at 290 hp. The engine was optimized for low end torque and as a result power flattens out as revs increase into midrange. The 351W is a small block and weighs about 100 lb less than the 390. It can be bored and stroked to 408 or even 427 ci.

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by sseebart » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:46 am

Wow, I've never seen rot up behind the rear seatbacks like that. Have you probed along the "structural" elements of the unibody to ensure that the car is essentially sound?

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Re: Just bought 1966 tbird for restore

Post by paulr » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:33 pm

sseebart wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:46 am
Wow, I've never seen rot up behind the rear seatbacks like that. Have you probed along the "structural" elements of the unibody to ensure that the car is essentially sound?

~Steve
Same concerns here. Think maybe this is due mostly to window gasket and/or vent seal failure? Not beyond hope, obviously but I second Steve’s advice to look harder at the integrity of the underbody elements, i.e. torque boxes, etc.

“Dustless” sandblasting? Here’s hoping.🤞
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