Electronic Ignition
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Electronic Ignition
I’m thinking of installing an electronic ignition in my 57 T-bird. I have a 312 engine. Do 312’s have a hex head shaft or do they have a flat/slot shaft? Just trying to find out without removing the existing distributor. One other question. Is it worth the time, effort, and money to install an electronic ignition?
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Re: Electronic Ignition
Hex shaft. I still use points and condenser with no problems in both my Thunderbirds.
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Thanks Joe (regarding the hex) and I really value your opinion regarding the points and condenser. Certainly will save me a couple of bucks.
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I've often read that the electronic conversions are "better", but never any dyno testing to show how much better the engine performs before and after. I don't do any drag racing, so squeezing that last bit of HP out of an engine is not a concern, neither is the possibility of a mile per gallon. I'm a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it sort of guy", but realize others don't feel that way and want changes. Enjoy the ride either way!!
PLEASE invest a few bucks and buy all the shop manuals for your car. Definitely will save you much time and be an education.
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I use an electronic ignition in my '55, but that was only because I had to. I couldn't locate a reasonably priced Ford tach drive to use, so I used a Mallory tach drive distributor and converted it to a 6V pos ground Ignitor.
In all my old cars over the years, I've had a mix of electronic and points. Considering how much old car are driven, the lifespan of points usually isn't much of an issue...most of us aren't driving them 5k or 10k miles a year. I personally prefer points. If they're set up properly and correctly, I haven't had any issues with them. The bad part about electronic ignitions is that if they fail, you're getting a tow. With points, you can keep a points file in the car and tinker with them to get the car running and get home. Pertronix says you can keep the points in the car to swap in if something happens, but honestly, the wiring is usually different enough that it'd make it difficult to do.
In all my old cars over the years, I've had a mix of electronic and points. Considering how much old car are driven, the lifespan of points usually isn't much of an issue...most of us aren't driving them 5k or 10k miles a year. I personally prefer points. If they're set up properly and correctly, I haven't had any issues with them. The bad part about electronic ignitions is that if they fail, you're getting a tow. With points, you can keep a points file in the car and tinker with them to get the car running and get home. Pertronix says you can keep the points in the car to swap in if something happens, but honestly, the wiring is usually different enough that it'd make it difficult to do.
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I think the "better" thing is because those people don't know how to correctly set up points or they're replacing worn out/burned out components, so the comparison is no so much between points and electronic, but worn out points and electronic.
Electronic ignitions don't usually have much in the way of adjustments, so if you get it wired up right, it's as good as it can be. Points take some time and effort to set up...more than just a feeler gauge. Dwell is important.
Unless you're switching to a high energy ignition, I can't really see how it'd make significantly more power on the dyno and even then, that would only be if you were revving high enough for it to matter. It would compensate for something like a worn out cam in the distributor, tho.
Electronic ignitions don't usually have much in the way of adjustments, so if you get it wired up right, it's as good as it can be. Points take some time and effort to set up...more than just a feeler gauge. Dwell is important.
Unless you're switching to a high energy ignition, I can't really see how it'd make significantly more power on the dyno and even then, that would only be if you were revving high enough for it to matter. It would compensate for something like a worn out cam in the distributor, tho.
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I've had a Pertronix ignition in my 1957 for 20 years and am very pleased with it. It has been nice not to have to worry about setting both the points and the dwell of the distributor. I think the gas mileage is also better with an electronic ignition. Of course points and condenser work fine, as long as everything is adjusted properly. The other thing that is nice about the Pertronix setup is that other than one additional wire it looks like a totally stock setup from the outside.
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Lew Bachman
1957 Colonial White
Regards,
Lew Bachman
1957 Colonial White
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Again, thanks to everyone who responded to my query. The points (no pun intended) of view are really appreciated... And I feel as a more informed Tbird owner.
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great discussion. I purchased Pertronix about 12 months ago and it is still on my shelf
People had advised me both ways and so far the old points and car keep on going so I have not really had the incentive to make the change. It is still on my list however... for a rainy day.
I have had electronic in my 70 Mustang for 9 years and not had a problem.
People had advised me both ways and so far the old points and car keep on going so I have not really had the incentive to make the change. It is still on my list however... for a rainy day.
I have had electronic in my 70 Mustang for 9 years and not had a problem.
Red 57 Thunderbird 312 3spd O/D
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Installed electronic on my 57, runs awesome, easy install and no regrets.