Non-matching VIN numbers
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Non-matching VIN numbers
So, my understanding is that if vin numbers on some body parts don't match, there was probably a repair/panel replacement. That the three vin numbers (on 1965 tbird found to passenger side of hood latch, passenger side cowl perpendicular to windshield, and just in front of that just under the hood.
So I check my numbers (no idea why I waited this long), and the weird thing is, front vin matches cowl vin, but the number close to cowl doesn't match. But that last mismatched number is stamped into the same metal piece as the cowl number! What am I missing here?
Also, door data plate has a diff number again, though similar format. Is this supposed to match?
Thanks for any insights!
So I check my numbers (no idea why I waited this long), and the weird thing is, front vin matches cowl vin, but the number close to cowl doesn't match. But that last mismatched number is stamped into the same metal piece as the cowl number! What am I missing here?
Also, door data plate has a diff number again, though similar format. Is this supposed to match?
Thanks for any insights!
Klaus
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
VTIC member #12304
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
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Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
Krubba
First please refer to the first thread in this heading of the forum which covers decoding of your data or warranty or data plate on the door the model numbers on this plate are different than the body I.D. stamped into the metal of the body, the consecutive numbers should match. First stamped number is on the right side of the upper radiator support, second is just behind the lip of the pinch weld on the cowl to firewall panels on right side just above the heater motor location, third is under the cowl panel on right side it has to be removed to see it.
First please refer to the first thread in this heading of the forum which covers decoding of your data or warranty or data plate on the door the model numbers on this plate are different than the body I.D. stamped into the metal of the body, the consecutive numbers should match. First stamped number is on the right side of the upper radiator support, second is just behind the lip of the pinch weld on the cowl to firewall panels on right side just above the heater motor location, third is under the cowl panel on right side it has to be removed to see it.
Jim Mills
VTCI # 8071
VTCI 1964-66 Technical Editor
2002 Thunderbird
1965 Convertible
1962 Convertible (in progress)
1959 Ford Retractable HT
Many parts cars
VTCI # 8071
VTCI 1964-66 Technical Editor
2002 Thunderbird
1965 Convertible
1962 Convertible (in progress)
1959 Ford Retractable HT
Many parts cars
Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
So turns out the door number matches the number above the heater: 5Y87Z130483
The rad support number matches cowl number: 5Y83Z121199
Like i said, particularly strange since cowl and above-heater numbers are stamped on the same piece of metal.
The 83 indicates hardtop, the 87 indicates landau, so i guess i just need to figure out if mine's a landau or not. There's no vinyl on the roof, but maybe it's been removed? it has the posts for attaching wheel covers on the back. Any other identifying features to tell if it's a landau or not?
The rad support number matches cowl number: 5Y83Z121199
Like i said, particularly strange since cowl and above-heater numbers are stamped on the same piece of metal.
The 83 indicates hardtop, the 87 indicates landau, so i guess i just need to figure out if mine's a landau or not. There's no vinyl on the roof, but maybe it's been removed? it has the posts for attaching wheel covers on the back. Any other identifying features to tell if it's a landau or not?
Klaus
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
VTIC member #12304
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
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Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
Oh, the trim and paint specified on data plate on door do match the car, so more evidence in favour of it being the landau...
Klaus
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
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1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
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Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
A landau will have wood grain interior
It's gonna be cool when it's done
And now it's really cool !!
59 convertible
58 convertible
65 hardtop
And now it's really cool !!
59 convertible
58 convertible
65 hardtop
Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
Doh!! no wood grain, now I'm just confused again :(
So i guess the next question is, if i try to register the car, which vin should i use? Do a background check on both and pick the one with cleaner record? ;)
So i guess the next question is, if i try to register the car, which vin should i use? Do a background check on both and pick the one with cleaner record? ;)
Klaus
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
VTIC member #12304
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
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Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
Krubba
Did you buy this car locally?
I documented I believe 65 in Portland at the International in 2011 that was similar to this will have to find the info on it, we picked it up on judging as the door and rad support numbers did not match.
Did you buy this car locally?
I documented I believe 65 in Portland at the International in 2011 that was similar to this will have to find the info on it, we picked it up on judging as the door and rad support numbers did not match.
Jim Mills
VTCI # 8071
VTCI 1964-66 Technical Editor
2002 Thunderbird
1965 Convertible
1962 Convertible (in progress)
1959 Ford Retractable HT
Many parts cars
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VTCI 1964-66 Technical Editor
2002 Thunderbird
1965 Convertible
1962 Convertible (in progress)
1959 Ford Retractable HT
Many parts cars
- redstangbob
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Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
Do you mean pins for the fender skirts? They were an option for all models, that won't tell you anything.it has the posts for attaching wheel covers on the back
It's gonna be cool when it's done
And now it's really cool !!
59 convertible
58 convertible
65 hardtop
And now it's really cool !!
59 convertible
58 convertible
65 hardtop
Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
Yes, I meant the skirt pins. Sounding more like it wasn't a landau then...
I bought it locally, but it came from BC where i believe it was last registered. And it was probably last driving in about 2002/2003. Data plate indicates dealer as Ford of Canada.
I bought it locally, but it came from BC where i believe it was last registered. And it was probably last driving in about 2002/2003. Data plate indicates dealer as Ford of Canada.
Klaus
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
VTIC member #12304
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
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Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
Some photos would sure come in handy right about now!
Currently Birdless....we'll see how long that lasts!
Past Birds: 1962 Hardtop Corinthian White "The Survivor"
1964 Hardtop Gunmetal Gray "60Fore"
1986 Turbo Coupe Regatta Blue
Past Birds: 1962 Hardtop Corinthian White "The Survivor"
1964 Hardtop Gunmetal Gray "60Fore"
1986 Turbo Coupe Regatta Blue
Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
Have to agree with you Gary. Krubba can you post some pictures of your bird?
1966 Hardtop Sauterne Gold
VTCI #4065
VTCI #4065
Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
As Bob mentioned above, a Landau will have woodgrain accents in the interior. Here is a pic showing the woodgrain console trim, door trim and steering wheel:
Currently Birdless....we'll see how long that lasts!
Past Birds: 1962 Hardtop Corinthian White "The Survivor"
1964 Hardtop Gunmetal Gray "60Fore"
1986 Turbo Coupe Regatta Blue
Past Birds: 1962 Hardtop Corinthian White "The Survivor"
1964 Hardtop Gunmetal Gray "60Fore"
1986 Turbo Coupe Regatta Blue
Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
Here's what i could find that might help. First two are from before the teardown...
delivery!
posing :)
dash pulled
data plate
rusty roof channel (trying to figure out how to restore this)
delivery!
posing :)
dash pulled
data plate
rusty roof channel (trying to figure out how to restore this)
Klaus
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
VTIC member #12304
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
VTIC member #12304
Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
Krubba
That is not the car that I looked at it was a 63A.
That is not the car that I looked at it was a 63A.
Jim Mills
VTCI # 8071
VTCI 1964-66 Technical Editor
2002 Thunderbird
1965 Convertible
1962 Convertible (in progress)
1959 Ford Retractable HT
Many parts cars
VTCI # 8071
VTCI 1964-66 Technical Editor
2002 Thunderbird
1965 Convertible
1962 Convertible (in progress)
1959 Ford Retractable HT
Many parts cars
Re: Non-matching VIN numbers
That's why this is such a mystery, the data plate says 63B indicating landau, but on rad support the vin says 5Y83 indicating hardtop.
And while i have no wood trim on doors or dash, i do have the fake wood steering wheel. The console had been visibly gutted, so who knows what this car had originally...
And while i have no wood trim on doors or dash, i do have the fake wood steering wheel. The console had been visibly gutted, so who knows what this car had originally...
Klaus
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
VTIC member #12304
1965 Thunderbird - Grinding is penance for bad welds!
VTIC member #12304