Good Catch! I wasn't aware that there was a reproduction of the cup available for the 4-inch Faria/Rotunda tach, which helps me a lot for the ones I have, but at $150/each that's going to add up. And, trust me, after over 40 years of going to swap meets, finding an original cup is like looking for the Holy Grail, so ponying up for a repop cup, versus finding a used one and replating it, may be where my beer money goes for the next few months.OM1963 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 1:07 am https://www.fabulousfords.com/detail/42 ... hrome.html
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1963 Rotunda Tachometer
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Re: 1963 Rotunda Tachometer
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Re: 1963 Rotunda Tachometer
A perfect example of the tach being wired incorrectly, I bought this at a swap meet many years ago, seller said they didn't know if it worked, I bought it, and it didn't! The wires were cut which should have been a red flag, but it was/is a very nice, unmolested tach, with the exception of the wires.
I guess it could have just "gave up the ghost" even if wired correctly; I like to open it and repair whatever failed, I'm sure it can be done, if anyone has experience with removing the SS bezel, I would appreciate any help with that; I know it can be sent out, but I like to try to do things myself,,,
Pictures to follow, keep getting the "file too large" error right now
I guess it could have just "gave up the ghost" even if wired correctly; I like to open it and repair whatever failed, I'm sure it can be done, if anyone has experience with removing the SS bezel, I would appreciate any help with that; I know it can be sent out, but I like to try to do things myself,,,
Pictures to follow, keep getting the "file too large" error right now
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Re: 1963 Rotunda Tachometer
62roadster wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:43 pm A perfect example of the tach being wired incorrectly, I bought this at a swap meet many years ago, seller said they didn't know if it worked, I bought it, and it didn't! The wires were cut which should have been a red flag, but it was/is a very nice, unmolested tach, with the exception of the wires.
I guess it could have just "gave up the ghost" even if wired correctly; I like to open it and repair whatever failed, I'm sure it can be done, if anyone has experience with removing the SS bezel, I would appreciate any help with that; I know it can be sent out, but I like to try to do things myself,,,
Pictures to follow, keep getting the "file too large" error right now
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Re: 1963 Rotunda Tachometer Installation-Mounting
In case you wanted to mount a tach on top of the dash, Article 27 from Ford's Shop Tips, Vol. 1- No 2, November 1963, gives information on correcting a problem with loose tach mounting in '63 Falcon Sprints using the 3"-face, C3RZ 17A326-A (6-cylinder) and C3RZ 17A326-B (8-cylinder) with and without dash pads. The dash pad info might be of use, but the Falcon Sprint mounting base is different from what was provided in the C2RZ- Faria tachometer.
Here's a picture of the instructions on the side of the Faria tachometer showing how to wire it to the ignition switch and coil. Jim Wulf had a set of factory instructions for connecting the Rotunda tach to the wiring system on his website in the mid-2010s, which has been taken down. Jim has been kind enough to post those instructions further down in this thread to help document how to correctly wire the tach to the car.
The 1964 Ford Car Parts & Accessories Catalog had this photo of the C2RZ 17A326-B 8-grand/4"-face tachometer mounted on the steering column of a Falcon - it appears to have the mounting post on the side of the case like I have in my '63.
And, just for kicks and grins, here's what was listed in 1965 Ford accessories catalogs for tachometers.
1965 Ford Car Parts & Accessories Catalog 1965 High Performance Catalog
The mounting cup and bracket for the 4"-face tachometers C2RZ 17A326-B (8-cylinder 8-grand RPM) and C2RZ 17A326-C (6-cylinder 5-grand RPM) have part number C2RZ 17368-B
To add to comments about wiring the tachometer, the same issue had this correction/clarification (Article 27) for instructions on how to hook up the same 3"-face Falcon Sprint tachometer; Article 28 dealt with connection modifications for using the Rotunda/Faria tachs with transistorized ignition systems by adding a shunt wire is next to it.
Here's a picture of the instructions on the side of the Faria tachometer showing how to wire it to the ignition switch and coil. Jim Wulf had a set of factory instructions for connecting the Rotunda tach to the wiring system on his website in the mid-2010s, which has been taken down. Jim has been kind enough to post those instructions further down in this thread to help document how to correctly wire the tach to the car.
The 1964 Ford Car Parts & Accessories Catalog had this photo of the C2RZ 17A326-B 8-grand/4"-face tachometer mounted on the steering column of a Falcon - it appears to have the mounting post on the side of the case like I have in my '63.
And, just for kicks and grins, here's what was listed in 1965 Ford accessories catalogs for tachometers.
1965 Ford Car Parts & Accessories Catalog 1965 High Performance Catalog
The mounting cup and bracket for the 4"-face tachometers C2RZ 17A326-B (8-cylinder 8-grand RPM) and C2RZ 17A326-C (6-cylinder 5-grand RPM) have part number C2RZ 17368-B
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Re: 1963 Rotunda Tachometer
So when wired into the pink ignition line, which is a resistance wire, the tach gets somewhat (or significantly) less than 12V, is that correct? If so, this could be the reason so many of these tachs are found to be not working/burned out, due to wiring them to a full 12v by someone who doesn't follow the instructions and or those who use a Rotunda/Faria tach on other vehicles?
Isn't it also true that when a pointless ignition and hi-voltage coil is added, that pink resistance wire is bypassed and replaced with a full 12V source, maybe someone who has converted their ignition can comment; my '62 is all stock?
Isn't it also true that when a pointless ignition and hi-voltage coil is added, that pink resistance wire is bypassed and replaced with a full 12V source, maybe someone who has converted their ignition can comment; my '62 is all stock?
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Re: 1963 Rotunda Tachometer
This isn't a Rotunda; it's an aftermarket item. But I like it because the number font looks pretty "Fordy".
https://tomsoffroad.com/parts/66-77-for ... LuEALw_wcB
And here's how I decided to mount it.
https://tomsoffroad.com/parts/66-77-for ... LuEALw_wcB
And here's how I decided to mount it.
Matt Ammentorp
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Hayward, Wisconsin
1963 Thunderbird Landau
Re: 1963 Rotunda Tachometer
This used to be posted for all to see on my old website. R.I.P. TBirdgarage :
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Re: 1963 Rotunda Tachometer
Very nice - looks better than the Rotudna/Faria 4" version. From the URL for the photo it says it's for a '67-'77 Ford Bronco (I assume '67-'76?). It actually looks close to the '67-'71-style T-bird dash gauges if I'm not mistaken, which would be 'in the family' as they say.mammentorp wrote: ↑Thu Feb 29, 2024 12:38 pm This isn't a Rotunda; it's an aftermarket item. But I like it because the number font looks pretty "Fordy".
https://tomsoffroad.com/parts/66-77-for ... LuEALw_wcB
And here's how I decided to mount it.
IMG_2926.jpg
Alan H. Tast, AIA
Technical Director/Past President,
Vintage Thunderbird Club Int'l.
Author, "Thunderbird 1955-1966" & "Thunderbird 50 Years"
1963 Hardtop & 1963 Sports Roadster
Technical Director/Past President,
Vintage Thunderbird Club Int'l.
Author, "Thunderbird 1955-1966" & "Thunderbird 50 Years"
1963 Hardtop & 1963 Sports Roadster
Re: 1963 Rotunda Tachometer
This is the mounting location I used for Don Marsh's 6K Rotunda tach - a great location for a non AC car. It was easy to cut the holes for the gauges with the correctly sized hole saws using a drill press.
Jim W, VTCI 1961-1963 Technical Editor
62 SR Red/Black
63 CV Black/Red
67 MGB Roadster
38 MG TA Tickford Drophead Coupe
39 Lea-Francis Corsica Super Sports
Past Birds:
63 MSR Red/Pearl Beige
66 CV Red/Red
63 CV P. Green/Pearl Beige
61 HT White/Pearl Beige
62 SR Red/Black
63 CV Black/Red
67 MGB Roadster
38 MG TA Tickford Drophead Coupe
39 Lea-Francis Corsica Super Sports
Past Birds:
63 MSR Red/Pearl Beige
66 CV Red/Red
63 CV P. Green/Pearl Beige
61 HT White/Pearl Beige
Re: 1963 Rotunda Tachometer
As usual Jim, you have done a fantastic job on mounting the tach, Your experience for perfection has given you the utmost respect when it comes to putting these classic cars back to original. I Am honored to have read your posts and your web site putting back the Red 63 Rangoon Thunderbird.....
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