Putting the 64 on a diet.

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Putting the 64 on a diet.

Post by cdhowell » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:08 pm

This will not be a concourse car. It was purchased as a hot rod project. What, if any steps have you guys taken for weight savings.
That said, I want to keep a near stock appearance to the body. I want to keep the FE block, Heat and AC. I do plan on shaving the door handles but solenoids offset the weight and no savings there.
Current thoughts are coatings vs. insulation under the carpet. Speed holes in non structural area. Fixed seat mounts up front. Coil overs in the rear. Remove skirts and emblems. Aluminum drive shaft and third member.
Maybe shave the drip rails? X bracing behind door panels and rear seat could be dimple died to retain integrity and be not seen.
The goal is 3300# Is it realistic without spending a fortune on fiberglass panels? Lexan or plexiglass are not an option. All input welcome.
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Post by 60fore » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:01 pm

Aluminum heads and intake :cool:
Currently Birdless....we'll see how long that lasts!

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Post by cdhowell » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:31 pm

Sorry there. I had aluminum heads, intake and radiator in my first draft. I am at work and pulled away constantly.
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Post by kevindeluca66 » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:21 pm

My car lost 38 LBS last year by me getting on a treadmill and eating better. :lol: :lol: :lol:

It even helped my everyday driver
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Post by cdhowell » Wed Mar 14, 2012 11:06 am

13#s and counting.
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Post by 6t6 » Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:34 am

You're talking about shaving 1200 pounds off the car....

removing the drip rails completely MIGHT save you 4 pounds....

I don't even know where to begin

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Post by cdhowell » Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:59 pm

I am under the impression that the bird has a curb weight of 4200#. If correct and I lose 200 in the motor with heads and intake. Thats 700 left and the place I start asking for ideas. Trying to brain storm this with others for ideas. Some will be good some not so. I do not think its out of the question.

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I bet my drip rails have 4#s of seam sealer alone.
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Post by 60fore » Fri Mar 23, 2012 6:42 pm

I am under the impression that the bird has a curb weight of 4200#
Curb weight of a '64 hardtop is given as 4431 lbs. (they gained a couple hundred pounds with the new body style).
Currently Birdless....we'll see how long that lasts!

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Post by cdhowell » Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:50 pm

Thank you 60fore for a corrected weight. All the more reason for a diet. And I will probably shoot for 3500 instead of 3300.
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Post by sseebart » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:14 pm

If you have electric seats and windows, switch to manually operated--but still talking drops in the ocean. Have you considered a roadster?

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Post by 6t6 » Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:37 pm

I don't know how you feel about losing your heat and ac if you have it...

All the stuff under the dash probly weighs close to a hundred pounds...

Also you may want to consider losing the dash altogether, get some gauges and build a lightweight dash of some sort -that would prolly save 50 pounds or so

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Post by cdhowell » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:29 pm

sseebart wrote:If you have electric seats and windows, switch to manually operated--but still talking drops in the ocean. Have you considered a roadster?

As in removing the top? Manual window are on the list. as well as fixed seat mounts.
6t6 wrote:I don't know how you feel about losing your heat and ac if you have it...
All the stuff under the dash probly weighs close to a hundred pounds...
Also you may want to consider losing the dash altogether, get some gauges and build a lightweight dash of some sort -that would prolly save 50 pounds or so

I'm not looking to gut the car. In fact, I want Joe average to not notice the changes. I have no knowledge of whats behind the dash. I would bet the squirrel cage is metal and could be fitted with a lighter plastic. The ac compressor changed to an aluminum body Sanden type instead of the big heavy York. Point being almost everything in this old car needs attention. Its not like I want to rip out good working components for the sake of weight saving. Just addressing the weight issue as I build. A little here and there all add up in the end. 1 fender replacement may save 10# of Bondo.
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Post by sseebart » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:38 pm

Yes, as in removing the top. You would gain some weight back in additional bracing, but would lose the top, all but the windshield (and wing) glass and all the window regulators.

Saw it done by Chip Foose on Overhaulin':

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I would love to do this with my '64, but not sure I'm ready for the cost.

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Post by cdhowell » Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:52 pm

That is sweet! Not sure about going that extreme. Anyone know the weights of the COM and the C6? I have both available.
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Post by cdhowell » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:53 am

Hey Dale, Thanks for coming by with the donuts. Had one with coffee this morning. Hope you have a safe trip home and see you next year.
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