'65ish Spindles on a '61

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'65ish Spindles on a '61

Post by GeorgeG » Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:58 pm

Are '65 (or thereabouts) TBird spindles a bolt on for a '61? I'm thinking about front discs but I'm a little leery of the conversion kits that use a press-fit sleeve to go over the '61 spindle so the discs/calipers can fit (ala TBird Ranch). Idea is to use the complete '65 setup. I know I've seen this topic here somewhere, but for the life of me I can't find it. Sorry if my question is a duplicate.
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Re: '65ish Spindles on a '61

Post by bbogue » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:33 pm

George,
You might check with novanutcase. He appears to have done this. See his response in this link.

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Re: '65ish Spindles on a '61

Post by GeorgeG » Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:45 pm

Thanks Bill. Just looking at options. I have the TB Ranch kit, double MC and proportioning valve. If I can find a good '65 setup I may go that route and sell the TB Ranch kit.

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Re: '65ish Spindles on a '61

Post by merged » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:58 pm

For what it's worth, I have a '62 & used the DB set-up from a '65 'Bird. It's a striaght bolt-on job but you will also need:
- proportioning valve
- dual master cylinder
- 15" wheels
Other than that, it's just turning wrenches.

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Re: '65ish Spindles on a '61

Post by GeorgeG » Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:48 pm

Thanks. I already have a dual master cylinder and proportioning valve. 15" wheels are no problem.
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Re: '65ish Spindles on a '61

Post by novanutcase » Sun Nov 18, 2018 9:25 pm

Complete Bolt on. You need the spindle and lower control arm along with everything forward. You'll need wheels to clear the calipers.

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Re: '65ish Spindles on a '61

Post by PeterW113 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:24 am

Hello gents,

My takeaway from this post is that the control arms, spindles, hubs, rotors and callipers from a 64-66 Thunderbird are a straight swap if you are running 15” wheels on a 61-63 TBird.

My 62 has 14” Kelsey Hayes wire wheels, so not an easy swap.

Leaving aside the booster and proportionate valve.

Can you help me identifying suitable smaller rotors and callipers that can be used in conjunction with a 64-66 control arms, spindle and hub?

Your knowledge and experience is greatly appreciated.


Thanks

Pete

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Re: '65ish Spindles on a '61

Post by RedBird64 » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:14 pm

Not from a 64 - they had drum brakes and all the parts are wrong!
Sorry but I don't think there are any kits that will work with 14" wheels. Heck, a lot of them wont work with any 15" wheel! And it's not the rotors that are in the way, it's the calipers.
Also keep in mind that you need 15" wheels that are meant for disc brakes to use the 65~66 disc brake seup. So 15" wheels form a 64 or earlier ford car (incl TBird) wont work.

Here's what your looking for; The wheel on the left is for disc brakes and the wheel on the right is drum only.
(these are original wheels that were powder-coated at Les Schwab Tires for a very reasonable price)
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BTW, this is a great mod. Made a HUGE difference to the braking of my 64 and you don't have to use a pile of odd parts like the kits do.

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Re: '65ish Spindles on a '61

Post by GeorgeG » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:01 am

Thanks for all the great info. Now if this %$#%&%# rain, sleet and snow here on the east coast would stop, I may be able to get back to work on the 'Bird

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Re: '65ish Spindles on a '61

Post by PeterW113 » Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:53 am

Thank you Scott,

I figured that the issue would be first with the Callipers fouling the rim. I was hoping that a compact four piston calliper might be available that would fit and produce enough breaking power, using an equally smaller rotor to be effective, but seems not.

Although I hate polishing the spokes I like the look of the 14” wire wheels, but it seems clear now if I want to improve the brakes I need to switch to 15” wheels and I would need 65-66 spindles or a kit.

Thanks for the picture of the 15” steel wheels which clearly shows the difference between drums and disc versions.

Thank you again for your help.

Peter

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